tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2916532122185648082.post1845982087241748272..comments2023-03-31T00:42:14.692-07:00Comments on Conversations With Chris Bernard: The Rebel in YOUMolly Broganhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02864214690848523445noreply@blogger.comBlogger42125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2916532122185648082.post-76861831574459323672010-07-27T14:49:03.136-07:002010-07-27T14:49:03.136-07:00I do not think that I am a rebel nor do I think th...I do not think that I am a rebel nor do I think that I am an enlightened person. To this moment in life I have never met anyone who makes me uncomfortable, nor do I wish to make anyone uncomfortable. I love my solitude and the simple life of the contemplative mystic, and apparently my life style makes people uncomfortable. Why? I have never been able to understand. I guess they see me as strange,Luisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2916532122185648082.post-42906483896573164922010-07-13T08:15:06.400-07:002010-07-13T08:15:06.400-07:00We all seek Jungian individuation- be it by age, i...We all seek Jungian individuation- be it by age, interest or subculture. To quote Lenin & Malcolm X- 'by any means necessary' we must individuate. And each individual is a blow against the empire of mind numbing conformity.Marknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2916532122185648082.post-76253126720857561952010-07-12T14:16:42.735-07:002010-07-12T14:16:42.735-07:00My understanding of the original post was that, by...My understanding of the original post was that, by the very nature of being enlightened, you are interpreted as a rebel. Your very existence as one who stands apart creates a rebel of you, with or without your permission. And I would certainly agree.<br /><br />Most people are content to stay fat, dumb and happy (or at least miserably content.) When someone who is self-possessed, successful (in Georgianoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2916532122185648082.post-87493567605665153022010-07-06T05:35:00.451-07:002010-07-06T05:35:00.451-07:00The phenomenon is actually simple. It arises from ...The phenomenon is actually simple. It arises from the nature of the <br />ego, which in its essence is competitive. <br /><br />Any person who displays excellence of attitude, knowledge, skill, <br />thought, speech or action ... constantly departing from the common and <br />the accepted or expected ... possessions do not move him, power does <br />not interest him, knowledge arises in him as Vamnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2916532122185648082.post-78446513225533166532010-07-06T05:33:19.449-07:002010-07-06T05:33:19.449-07:00This is so very true. Even when I was young and ti...This is so very true. Even when I was young and timid and looking for love and approval, I still had my own set of beliefs and questioned the discrepancies between what I was taught and what I knew to be true. As I grew older, those differences caused me to strike out on my own... I didn't fit in anywhere. I felt very much alone. I began finding like minded individuals, and it was so Denisenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2916532122185648082.post-503028122637312732010-07-05T04:20:12.790-07:002010-07-05T04:20:12.790-07:00Rebellion is about rejecting the status quo, curre...Rebellion is about rejecting the status quo, current lifestyles, expectations. In as much as we change day by day we are all rebels. Or perhaps we are simply conforming to nature, and those who reject all change are the true rebels!<br /><br />The change we bring about in ourselves we do because it feels right, so in general we are comfortable with it. Only in the anticipation is rebellion scary.Lanoonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2916532122185648082.post-84933680988966190582010-07-03T05:41:48.267-07:002010-07-03T05:41:48.267-07:00We are rebels because on some level we realize tha...We are rebels because on some level we realize that this journey is truly our own. We are not here to help others, we are only here to see ourselves to the end. At some point we release the world and embrace our solitude, in so we gain the universe.<br /><br />Some I know will say we are here to help others, to change the world, but it isn't true. You cannot save those who don't wish to Scottnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2916532122185648082.post-446114038092483282010-07-01T11:59:27.609-07:002010-07-01T11:59:27.609-07:00I have made people uncomfortable, including myself...I have made people uncomfortable, including myself. Others have also made me uncomfortable. Indeed it is difficult to step outside the box. But we must have the courage to face the truth. Face it, deal with it, fix that which was found to be a lie. Admit wrong doing and cease doing it. Otherwise, we will never be free.Jackienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2916532122185648082.post-30666680637527749192010-06-29T09:04:14.580-07:002010-06-29T09:04:14.580-07:00A rebel is a person who knows what the norm is and...A rebel is a person who knows what the norm is and knows what he/she believes to be true and chooses to act on what they believe. It isn’t just acting on what they believe there must be conflict.<br />In college I took a test once I answered each question twice. Once the way the teacher wanted and once the way I thought it should be. I got an A and an F. The teacher didn’t know what to do.Gregnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2916532122185648082.post-48858051536437328442010-06-28T07:09:40.492-07:002010-06-28T07:09:40.492-07:00The true Rebel. Bravo.The true Rebel. Bravo.Molly Broganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02864214690848523445noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2916532122185648082.post-15879730167283924072010-06-28T07:09:18.996-07:002010-06-28T07:09:18.996-07:00On Saturday the homeless artistic rebel moved on. ...On Saturday the homeless artistic rebel moved on. His work was partially trashed, we don’t know whether that was the trigger for him to move, or whether it happened after wards. Just as well we didn’t have such mindlessness in the old days, or the Coliseum and the Parthenon would have been trashed as soon as the builders moved out. But guess what? Yesterday four more ‘pebble installations’ Lanoonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2916532122185648082.post-26126121708970425942010-06-27T05:00:57.170-07:002010-06-27T05:00:57.170-07:00'Perhaps' & 'maybe' are old ch...'Perhaps' & 'maybe' are old chestnuts that impede compassion, service and simple dignity. I applaud and thank your wife for her actions. If this gesture causes resentment among the neighbors- that's their issue not yours. Young people are not fools- do they want to imitate this poor fellows homelessness & lack of basic needs? Of course not- but young people love Marknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2916532122185648082.post-21546121027184584042010-06-27T05:00:00.379-07:002010-06-27T05:00:00.379-07:00For the last two weeks a young man has been sleepi...For the last two weeks a young man has been sleeping rough on the little beach in front of our house. He is creating an installation with pebbles, art in the landscape. He has been an alcoholic and drug addict, and now he is trying to go clean. He is working his way around Britain, building installations on beaches wherever the mood takes him. But to the people in the nice neat houses looking Lanoonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2916532122185648082.post-86200386549564944382010-06-24T07:11:37.215-07:002010-06-24T07:11:37.215-07:00The Rebel in you
Those who see what others can...The Rebel in you<br /><br />Those who see what others can't<br />look above and beyond the rest<br /><br />When joy is missing, they provide it<br />When caring is needed, they are the first to be there<br /><br />They write their poetry<br />and sing their songs<br /><br />They dance to attract attention<br /><br />They seem to talk in loud voices<br /><br />People seem to have no choice butNabilnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2916532122185648082.post-24015590266148702802010-06-24T07:10:45.701-07:002010-06-24T07:10:45.701-07:00I can tell you that from my experience, I have kno...I can tell you that from my experience, I have known great leaders, and some would consider them to have great power, but power is not the issue for them. They move ahead on what they know to be the greater good, and they all have a talent for consensus building for the greater good. They don't engage in buying or selling, punishing or rewarding like the more fundamental politicians. They Molly Broganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02864214690848523445noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2916532122185648082.post-87573054772814200532010-06-24T07:09:41.999-07:002010-06-24T07:09:41.999-07:00Molly, yes, Christ is an interesting one to look a...Molly, yes, Christ is an interesting one to look at here. We could look at what role power played within his community and also between him and the other relative powers of the day.<br /><br /><br />Lisa: After all, to act in the world with such realizations certainly has to be much more or at least just as tricky as what a realized spiritual teacher would experience, only minus the supporting Davidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2916532122185648082.post-22100029792834673872010-06-24T07:08:24.353-07:002010-06-24T07:08:24.353-07:00shashank: In a simple way anyone moving deeper or ...shashank: In a simple way anyone moving deeper or higher then the status quo, or present conventions, is going to come up against resistance, the further they move away the greater the resistance they’ll face from others and the world. I recall someone telling me: If you’re going to live from a place of truth then don’t expect the world to thank you for that, because it usually doesn’t. I’ve Lisanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2916532122185648082.post-2754313571541925852010-06-22T04:43:12.609-07:002010-06-22T04:43:12.609-07:00I'm wondering if a truly realized person finds...I'm wondering if a truly realized person finds anything in his experience that needs to be "overcome." I think that the kind of struggle you describe falls away with a non dual perspective. People follow a realized leader not because he is looking for power, but because he represents the possibilities of better life. Resistance requires duality, and a realized person would point to Molly Broganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02864214690848523445noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2916532122185648082.post-53775893891496067302010-06-22T04:42:15.347-07:002010-06-22T04:42:15.347-07:00I think you're right that power isn't an i...I think you're right that power isn't an issue for the most realized people in terms of their emotional or psychological needs; they don't need it to feel good about themselves or to satisfy some kind of longing or cover up some developmental mishap. If a realized person has an organization, though, there needs to be a power structure to get things done; there will occasionally be Davidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2916532122185648082.post-57476615265949118032010-06-22T04:41:54.998-07:002010-06-22T04:41:54.998-07:00David, I'm wondering if "power" is a...David, I'm wondering if "power" is an issue for "realized" people. I don't think it is. I think power has more to do with status quo.Molly Broganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02864214690848523445noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2916532122185648082.post-84869897866457563712010-06-22T04:31:19.057-07:002010-06-22T04:31:19.057-07:00Dear Katinta
You wrote
"It may be one reaso...Dear Katinta<br /><br />You wrote<br /><br />"It may be one reason why religion traditionally stresses the unimportance of money: because those who really aren't part of the fabric of values that we all set up for ourselves and each other, have to be willing to take the next step. They have to accept the possible price to be paid."<br /><br />The question is why do people do the Nabilnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2916532122185648082.post-84953262467999492652010-06-20T14:19:08.922-07:002010-06-20T14:19:08.922-07:00Looking on the people who have most touched me whe...Looking on the people who have most touched me whether personally or mediated thorough their teaching/words most have a quality of being a rebel to varying degrees. When I was very young I always loved Jack Kerouac, famous quote: "The only people for me are the mad ones, the ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never Shashanknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2916532122185648082.post-78205119849624290502010-06-20T05:08:39.407-07:002010-06-20T05:08:39.407-07:00It puts pressure on people to realize their greate...It puts pressure on people to realize their greater potentials for freedom and fullness. If they can dismiss those who have realized their greater potentials for freedom and fullness or their realizations, then they don't have to take the injunction themselves.<br /><br />I also think it's about power. If they admit others have a greater realization it often involves a giving up or Davidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2916532122185648082.post-12494654175007150882010-06-20T05:05:49.076-07:002010-06-20T05:05:49.076-07:00I think you just validated the rebel in me :) The ...I think you just validated the rebel in me :) The risk the rebel takes is to stand outside the pale of human society. Wistleblowers risk more than just the loss of a job. They risk never finding one again.<br /><br />It may be one reason why religion traditionally stresses the unimportance of money: because those who really aren't part of the fabric of values that we all set up for ourselves Katinkanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2916532122185648082.post-67268691989475003122010-06-20T05:00:54.695-07:002010-06-20T05:00:54.695-07:00Yeah, I got a rebel in me that makes others uncomf...Yeah, I got a rebel in me that makes others uncomfortable for sure! My internal barriers are being chipped away by spiritMichellenoreply@blogger.com