tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2916532122185648082.post1945171602177635097..comments2023-03-31T00:42:14.692-07:00Comments on Conversations With Chris Bernard: The Evolving Role of the ArtistMolly Broganhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02864214690848523445noreply@blogger.comBlogger27125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2916532122185648082.post-7266409584706459912010-11-14T04:52:36.779-08:002010-11-14T04:52:36.779-08:00We see beautiful birds in nature.
We see beautifu...We see beautiful birds in nature.<br /><br />We see beautiful flowers in nature.<br /><br />Song birds vie with each other for the most beautiful morning tune.<br /><br />the Life Force has an instinct for Beauty.<br /><br />the Artist strives for Beauty.<br /><br />In this regards every pretty girl with a makeup kit is something of an artist... trying to make herself a thing of beauty. MusiciansLeonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2916532122185648082.post-38560674873354337952010-10-27T12:34:54.934-07:002010-10-27T12:34:54.934-07:00may I return, concurrently, for a moment, for thos...may I return, concurrently, for a moment, for those interested, to the ideas of the "role" of the artist, the question of the "ugly", and what artists may or may not do for a person's soul, or the soul of a community, society or our shared humanity. Whether or not artists have a "role" as such, we do have an influence, whether intentional or unintentional, we Mardinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2916532122185648082.post-43143383284363446452010-10-27T12:28:31.507-07:002010-10-27T12:28:31.507-07:00Our mind imposes limitations on our experience. I...Our mind imposes limitations on our experience. If we are continually trying to understand consciousness with our mental processes, we will continue to struggle. When we can be open to experiencing the creative process beyond mind, we are open to the experience of the infinite. As you say, Alan, this is available to everyone who can see beyond limitation. Francis Lucille may explain it better Molly Broganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02864214690848523445noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2916532122185648082.post-47616587253972589102010-10-27T12:19:48.619-07:002010-10-27T12:19:48.619-07:00There might not be an agreed standard for beauty, ...There might not be an agreed standard for beauty, but don't you think that every person recognizes what is beautiful for them or in themselves? Beauty is, who can deny that?Molly Broganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02864214690848523445noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2916532122185648082.post-165749559354879982010-10-27T12:19:18.491-07:002010-10-27T12:19:18.491-07:00Hah yes I would say absolutely right, and indeed w...Hah yes I would say absolutely right, and indeed would question that there ever was a universal standard of beauty.Leenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2916532122185648082.post-85856113635228478342010-10-27T12:18:17.588-07:002010-10-27T12:18:17.588-07:00shock value shatters forms. Does it speak to our ...shock value shatters forms. Does it speak to our deepest humanity? That might be individual. Art speaks to the individual, and this does not mean that it cannot bring us to the state where unity with humanity can be realized. The one does not obliterate the many, it includes us all, whether we individually realize it or not. It is not an either/or proposition, unless we make it so.Molly Broganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02864214690848523445noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2916532122185648082.post-7217367202209559502010-10-27T12:15:14.224-07:002010-10-27T12:15:14.224-07:00I am a visual artist and yes, I create because I h...I am a visual artist and yes, I create because I have to do it. I create sometimes from a thought that comes to me that I want to express in visual form. Other times the image comes to mind and as I create it the image expands and takes on new form and thoughts come to me as I create. And then later I look at my work and other new thoughts come to me. And when I display them, the thoughts of Mardinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2916532122185648082.post-56884794583561212932010-10-27T11:13:26.691-07:002010-10-27T11:13:26.691-07:00It was great to read your post. I liked the articl...It was great to read your post. I liked the article. Thank you. Yet it's hard to say any more. While painting I just enjoy the painting and flow on the wings of gratitude for the ability to see and hear the light. While viewing the finished picture I cease to be the artist and don't know what the artists should do or not. I think we all (it;s no matter our professions) should ride the Tomashttp://butterflyintheplaster.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2916532122185648082.post-22571492446966628412010-10-25T04:26:43.112-07:002010-10-25T04:26:43.112-07:00I spend a good deal of time, or no time, beyond mi...I spend a good deal of time, or no time, beyond mind, and do not see mind as all encompassing. My mind does not need to always be presenting form, thought and feeling to my awareness, but runs more in the background to be tapped when needed. For me, it is needed less and less. I know that I am stressed when it those thoughts and feelings are streaming like a video on a computer, using up the Molly Broganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02864214690848523445noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2916532122185648082.post-2817956177314291982010-10-25T04:21:10.114-07:002010-10-25T04:21:10.114-07:00That's quite a mouthful to digest right there ...That's quite a mouthful to digest right there Molly. I think all things evolve, art and artists must evolve as humanity does, art mirroring humanity as it does. I would like to hear more on why you think any human endeavor is beyond mind, let alone art. All that we do and think takes place in the mind, perhaps your use of the word implies something other than what I think of as mind? I dare Leenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2916532122185648082.post-1621114217722027652010-10-25T04:18:26.001-07:002010-10-25T04:18:26.001-07:00"Sometimes though the artists simply wants to..."Sometimes though the artists simply wants to tell a story." Lee <br /><br />In the end, Lee, it's all always about telling stories, isn't it? It's just that we all use different languages and words, either literally or the languages of music, dance, film, the words of paint or stone or mixtures of all of these. In the end, it's the beauty that communicates, the Francisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2916532122185648082.post-21856045052557197732010-10-25T04:16:14.727-07:002010-10-25T04:16:14.727-07:00I see intention and definition as secondary, part ...I see intention and definition as secondary, part of the endless abstraction and analyzation in that we do or do not engage our minds. As such, it is valuable and meaningful. I contend, like Croce, that inspiration and communion associated with art is beyond mind. The role of the artist, also, is secondary. But I think it is evolving, just as humanity is evolving. The artist and his art Molly Broganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02864214690848523445noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2916532122185648082.post-27233308180241223172010-10-25T04:14:53.345-07:002010-10-25T04:14:53.345-07:00Molly yes you are correct, we all have roles that ...Molly yes you are correct, we all have roles that we are conscious of and some that we are not. But then in light of this, the role of an artists is merely to produce art. Would an Atheist artist agree that her role is: 'to bring the other, or viewer, to that place in consciousness through the form presented – into Nature, soul, feelings, God, where we can be, ourselves, inspired, and feel Leenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2916532122185648082.post-516328427730497762010-10-25T04:10:24.004-07:002010-10-25T04:10:24.004-07:00In that we spontaneously create our experience, I ...In that we spontaneously create our experience, I think we are all artists of life. Whether or not we are objectifying our creation to share as a communion with other, we all do symbolize, laying the foundation for our experience to unfold. And, as you say, even if we are not cognizant of the the dynamic, our artistic medium - thoughts and feelings as symbols - if destructive, will reflect thatMolly Broganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02864214690848523445noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2916532122185648082.post-24578963231275923912010-10-25T04:08:32.284-07:002010-10-25T04:08:32.284-07:00" ... we are all artists ..." This is ..." ... we are all artists ..." This is indeed what I understand too ... i.e. anybody with the sense of choice, something to do or express. How well or poorly we do whatever speaks of how good or bad an artist we are !Vamnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2916532122185648082.post-24011105522991442602010-10-25T04:07:28.172-07:002010-10-25T04:07:28.172-07:00love this idea, Molly! For me, it also implies tha...love this idea, Molly! For me, it also implies that we are all artists, for, as conscious beings, we all have this dynamic aspect, creativity. It strikes me that its expression and unfolding is necessary for us all (as is the freeing of our contemplative aspect). In a healthy consciousness this can take all sorts of forms, creating and maintaining a cherishing family atmosphere, the gift of Francisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2916532122185648082.post-61014275980850965792010-10-25T04:04:08.978-07:002010-10-25T04:04:08.978-07:00Does an artist have a role?
In my experience thos...Does an artist have a role? <br />In my experience those who produce art in it's myriad forms do so <br />without conscious thought as to the role they play, and in fact <br />produce their art simply because they feel they must. All artists in <br />my experience feel the need to say something, to show something of <br />themselves to their audience. <br />So I think it is more a matter of Leenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2916532122185648082.post-76628901972094605112010-10-21T07:50:51.257-07:002010-10-21T07:50:51.257-07:00"All our senses, sight, hearing, touch, taste..."All our senses, sight, hearing, touch, taste and smell have been channeled or dispersed towards personal defense and aggression, used as tools to maintain the person. Through artistic appreciation the qualities of sensitivity and receptivity are awakened. Energy is sustained and the sense organs find their organic multi-dimensionality. In real listening the ear does not grasp the sound but Brucenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2916532122185648082.post-7012327358049068752010-10-21T06:56:26.541-07:002010-10-21T06:56:26.541-07:00"To paint a tree green is not true painting f..."To paint a tree green is not true painting for the reason that however well one imitates her, nature is still the essential thing; nature is still more beautiful, more vital; it needs no copy. A real painter never imitates. He uses an object as a recipient or focus of the sun, or to observe a color reflex in that object’s surroundings, or to catch, above it, an interweaving of light and Shashanknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2916532122185648082.post-35255883326452321772010-10-20T09:34:11.028-07:002010-10-20T09:34:11.028-07:00I found this interesting too! Thanks for sharing M...I found this interesting too! Thanks for sharing Molly. I can imagine being in a room with them in a total spirit of playfullness discussion.<br /><br />The journey of creation.<br />This is the creative process.<br />I value each and every person who passes through.<br />People have the power. Always have - always will.<br />Without an audience, the artist would exist without a reflection.Kathynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2916532122185648082.post-418314934911639002010-10-20T09:33:19.430-07:002010-10-20T09:33:19.430-07:00This is a very interesting essay, thank you for po...This is a very interesting essay, thank you for posting the link as well. What do I think? Personally, I agree that the true artist is a shaman,a connection, a priest or alchemist. Great art in any medium, functions as tool to develop the spirit or consciousness both in society and individuals.Gilliannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2916532122185648082.post-71569724969559923882010-10-20T06:29:53.888-07:002010-10-20T06:29:53.888-07:00I found a dialogue between artist Alex Grey and Ke...I found a dialogue between artist Alex Grey and Ken Wilber that may speak to the sacred artist:<br /><br />http://www.alexgrey.com/essay/kenwilber.html<br /><br />I enjoyed (and thought relevant to the post) the following points:<br /><br />A spiritual art must transform the artist and the viewer. In order for art to be transformative, it has to undo you.<br /><br />Most artists agree, their Molly Broganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02864214690848523445noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2916532122185648082.post-54074889075290365492010-10-18T13:22:07.932-07:002010-10-18T13:22:07.932-07:00The sacred artist is an interesting subject, Molly...The sacred artist is an interesting subject, Molly.<br /><br />Once Wilber talked about different types of enlightenment, and I think the idea came from Tibetan Buddhism, but I haven't been able to find anything about it. I think one was the sacred artist, though, and another the guru, another the pandit. Probably the householder was another.<br /><br />In a sense, with many orientations, Davidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2916532122185648082.post-70572422777463881462010-10-18T12:10:30.385-07:002010-10-18T12:10:30.385-07:00During my times of painting, it was not only peace...During my times of painting, it was not only peace I found, there was also deep despair, sadness, pain, anxiety, anger, insecurity, happiness, contemplation and.......It was an investigation of my self and not a single moment felt wasted. The process of painting meant to me to go deeper into my own inner world, the process of self investigation and reflection became more important, interesting peacepilgrimnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2916532122185648082.post-10059660459055004752010-10-18T12:06:09.753-07:002010-10-18T12:06:09.753-07:00As a music lover, and to get the main idea down to...As a music lover, and to get the main idea down to the very personal level, in order to deal with abstract more objectively:<br />I am an artist of drawings and paintings; I play the piano; I decorate. I also write. Are you positioned on 'me', as an example of an artist, drawing for 'you', perfoming musically for 'you', et al, giving you my mystical experience? I am not Carolynnoreply@blogger.com